GM Just Screwed Me! (And Not in a Way I Like)

OK this feature is where I vent about things non-audio. The name refers to a Gerry Rafferty tune from the album of the same name. It's a fantastic record, and on the UK Translatlantic original, it sounds so too. The American Blue Thumb is not bad.

It can get political here and if your politics don't mesh with mine but especially if you're not interested in another point of view, just skip these, okay? This one is semi-non political. "Semi" because GM was bailed out by the gubmint and I was all for that. It saved hundreds of thousands of jobs at GM as well as along the entire automotive supply chain. Romney said let GM go under. And that's where it would have gone. Not even Bain Capital was willing to step in. He also predicted GM would fail if it was bailed out. Wrong! Of course that didn't stop Mitt from claiming credit recently for the bailout, which he said was his idea.

Had Obama not followed through on the Bush bailouts, unemployment would be even higher than it already is and it's already about a percentage point higher than it would be had Republican governors not laid off three quarters of a million public sector workers doing "useless" work like teaching, firefighting and policing.

But GM just screwed me! Two weeks ago, the air conditioner on my 2008 Saab Turbo-X started blowing only hot air (thus some would say, resembling what I do regularly). I called the dealer who also sells Volvos and they couldn't take me until today but the warranty expired yesterday.

I had hoped it just needed a Poron charge but that was not the problem. The compressor went bad and that will cost me $2000 unless it was under the warranty. I called GM, which owned Saab (and ran it into the ground for reasons I'd be happy to discuss with car fanatics, but not here, not now). Nor would GM let Saab be saved by Chinese investors because GM didn't want competition in China. They claimed it was about technology they owned and blah blah blah. Really? Then why did they let the sale take place recently once the wind had been totally knocked out of Saab's sales, I mean sails?

So I called GM about covering this final warranty repair and they said "no." Why "no"? Because the warranty expired yesterday. Yes, yesterday, Sunday, a legal holiday, but because the work order was not submitted until today by the dealer—one day late—GM has sleazed out of the warranty coverage.

Sleazy, scummy and now it is guaranteed that I will never buy a GM car. I wouldn't take one if they gave it to me and that's the truth. They said I should "chance" having the repair done by the dealer and then later, submit it to the new Chinese buyers of Saab because maybe they'd make good on the repair. FAT CHANCE of that happening! And to the Volvo dealer that couldn't take me until after the warranty expired, I'm not buying a Volvo either. Not that I would have done that anyway. That Saab went under and Volvo lives just makes me barf.

COMMENTS
alan james's picture

Didn't the "restructuring" also abdicate GM from other previous warranty work on othe late models? I thought at the New GM did not have to take on "old" GM's problems or warranties?

Regardless, GM may think they have won, but this was a marketing decision and future sales are lost for sure.  This was not a Cobalt, Cavalier, or a Cruze, this is supposedly a very nice car, and many would say an Elite class car.  

I never did understand all the rebadging of platforms at GM, nor at Ford with Mercury and Ford with similar models on the same platforms. Of course there were people who would swear their Pontiac was better than a Buick or that a Marquis was better than a Crown Vic. 

You would think by now that we could make compressors, alternators, water pumps that should easily last 150,000.  Yet, no, because we have to reengineer them, to improve them, to do what...fail sooner?  That is what they do.  Did we really need plastic radiators?  

I now have issues with the struts on my Saturn Vue from 2003, which has been a great car with a 5 speed/4cy getting 30 on the hiway @ 113K miles. I had a wheel bearing go at 60K that they fixed. That's it. I've replaced the struts once a month ago and they squeak like an old mattress in a brothel. New ones for free to exhange out are coming Fed Ex.  We'll see. Of course now, Saturn and Pontiac are history. Two affordable car lines gotten rid of in a down economy...that makes sense. NOT!  I will not buy a Chevy to replace my Vue. 

Usually new and improved only means "we've found a new way to make it for less". I've been told these struts area new design.  

What we have fogotten in all of this is that if we only treated each other like we would like to be treated, none of this would go on. Power does corrupt and it is why the rest of the world is eating our lunch in manufacturing. 

Is there anybody at the top of GM who deserves to make even close to $1 mil?  NO!!!!

Maybe someone will put their thknking hat on with your issue. What ever that compressor cost GM is way less than what profit they have made on you in buying a new car.  Even little old me gets that. 

Michael Fremer's picture

I suspect the compressor is a sourced part made elsewhere. The Saab's engine (a superb one by the way) is made and/or designed by GM Australia. The 6 speed manual transmission is from GM Germany. In fact 60% of the car is from parts made in Germany. It's been trouble free for four years other than this stupid compressor. 

Mendo's picture

Read the Magnusson-Moss warranty act, then take the bastards to small claims court. When have you ever let anyone off so easily Mikey?

alan james's picture

I hope you can find a solution that is not out of your pocket. They should replace it, but they could install one you buy and that would save some money. Keep us posted. Curious as to what GM does.

John C Freeman's picture

Hi Mike,

You need to talk the Regional Manager for Warranty Service.  He works for GM and not the dealer.  The warranty is close enough that they should cover it.  However I would not tell him/her that you would never buy a GM car again.  You will be losing your leverage. Other leverage you can bring is this Blog, but do it carefully.  Tell them that you would consider any car with advanaced technology, and BTW the Chevy Volt actually has very advanced technology.  The compressor is most likely not a Saab product, but made by a component manufacturer.  Could be German (Bosch) or even American (GM).  I had a Saturn LW300 and the brakes were the same as certain Saab models and certain Suburu models (all owned by GM until recently).  It will not cost them $2,000 to accomplish this task.  More like $800.00 with their cost on parts and they also have negotiated labor rates with the Dealer.

Good Luck, 

Michael Fremer's picture

I found a "Recycling Center" (once known as a salvage yard and before that a "junk" yard) that had the precise part on a wrecked Saab Aero that had 8000 miles on it. Cost? $200. The owner of the yard said it would be pulled from the car and tested before shipping. <p>

The conversation drifted to audio, then to vinyl, then to his former record collection, then to suggestions for a new turntable, then to his Polish heritage, then to my visit to Warsaw to do turntable setups at a hi-fi show there, then to my visit to the Saab factory two years ago before a Swedish hi-fi show, that prompted him to call me his "hero."<p>

So for around $500 installed, I'll live with it. No point on obsessing. If I want to do that, I can think of Saturday when I went to Williams-Sonoma and replaced a broken Riedel wine glass ($25), cradled it in my arms while my wife drove home, carefully carried it from the car to the garage, and while trying to push the garage door button to close the garage, dropped the bag whereupon the glass hit the ceramic floor and smashed into smithereens!<p>

Looking at the bright side, the shattered glass remained contained within the bag making clean-up easy!<p>

"Always, always, look at the bright side"—Monty Python

jgossman's picture

Hook it up to a 12 volt motor, and put a coolant tube in and a coolant tube out and press the big red button?  Does the test liquid flow? Check.  Do the bearings chatter too much?  Check.  

Doesn't seem hard at all.  

Silly response.

As to the GM bailout being successful, that's for a whole other discussion.  GM isn't doing very well at all.  All the taxpayer did, unlike the bank bailouts, was delay the misery of failure a few more election cycles past when America's political ADD will remember what bad shape they were in in the first place.  I'm not opposed to occasional government intervention/regulation because there is no such thing as "perfect" libertarianism/classical liberalism.  And as is often noted by liberal defenders of Bush (don't hear that every day, do you)  only about half the TARP money ever had to be spent.  Turns out, when they saw the strings attatched to money, the banks were in better shape than they realized, and took less than the government set aside to give them, and the government will come out ahead on the deal, and billions of dollars of property value have been saved.  And as a small aside, owners of any property can now find out who actually owns their loan with out a silly amount of work - because all you have to do is ask.  They've always had to tell you, eventually.  But they nearly couldn't - because they had to bundle AAA loans with probably defaults to rate the sucurity a notch above junk.  Try that 6 years ago.

Anyway, as a fairly devout libertarian, and Bush/Obama detractor, most government "rescue" programs actually end up doing pretty well.  Because as it turns out, the same people who get us into messes actually ARE usually the most qualified to get us out, as silly as it seems on the surface.

SpotcheckBilly's picture

..... if I ever heard one. If you had done one-tenth the due diligence in your car purchase as you do in selecting your audio gear you would have know never to buy a Saab and never, ever buy a GM product to begin with!

Michael Fremer's picture

Well SpotCheckBilly, my "due diligence" consisted of driving Saabs and nothing but Saabs since 1972. In fact I kept my original 1972 Saab 96 until 1999. It had at least 300,000 miles on it. I did rebuild the engine (myself), boring out the block and putting in oversized pistons, milled headers, an Isky cam grind and a dual barrel Weber and went through a few transmissions but that was about as much fun as you could have in a two door vintage sedan.<p>

I bought new a 1990 900S, a 1994 900S, a 1996 9000, a 2000 9-5 wagon, a 2002 Vector 9-3 sports sedan (first GM based car and great), a 2005 9-3 Aero and finally the 9-3 Turbo-X, my favorite Saab, despite being GM sourced. The 300+ HP Aussie V-6 is a fantastic engine. All have had manual trannies and all of them, particularly the GM sourced cars have been 100% trouble free.<p>

I hardly think a bad compressor, sourced from an outside company, is damning to GM. However, their failure to cover it under warranty surely is.<p>

I plan on keeping this car for ten years and then what?<p>

A BMW? No way. Audi? Maybe. I refuse to drive an automatic transmission car so by then my options will probably be limited since Americans are such WUSSIES that few want to drive manual transmission cars and the don't import many.

 

I

Number 9's picture

On my second Saab (9/5) and my fourth turntable (a Rega P9/Ios/Apheta). Simaler design sensibilities IMO. Quirky but brilliant.

And unless you've owned one for an extended period of time, hard to appreciate (both car and vinyl spinner).

Had an Audi once, never again.

Persevere Mikey!

SpotcheckBilly's picture

........ to account for taste, Mikey. I won't even begin to state my thoughts on the autos that you've mentioned. Not even worth debating. Besides, this is your house and I won't come in only to shit on your carpet. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

Cheers,

SB

StonedBeatles1's picture

I wish I could vent and post my petition against MetLife not paying me my disability insurance benefits but I won't bother on here.

I say get a Lexus.  MY last one had 300,000 miles on it and someone is still driving the damn thing..

 

Again, Love the site!

gerald harrington's picture

Mike Fremer I enjoy reading your writing!  Didn't Romney like reorganization under bankruptcy for GM rather than a bailout, sort of like the airlines.

dhb1ibo's picture

Regardless of anyones politics I'm always amazed with people who are able to see into some alternate universe and tell what would have happened if something else had been done.

precioustaylor54's picture

Thank you for another essential article. Where else could anyone get that kind of information in such a complete way of writing? I have a presentation incoming week, and I am on the lookout for such information.

Cell phone spying

Havend's picture

I found your article very interesting. You did a exciting article content. Keep up the good work!

Lasandra R. Unruh
Tarlow Design Reviews

Chave1934's picture

I found this article very interesting. But i've been curious about GM. Please post more info about GM.

Thanks! Mae R. Wyatt

Tarlow Design Reviews

Hemig1971's picture

Your article content was very impressive. I really like the way you impress us with your work. Love it!

Denise A. Scheffer
Tarlow Design

gigihan11's picture

I bought my car from Chevy dealer Tucson and I don`t regret my decision, Chevrolet manufactures the best cars and I won`t buy anything except Chevy. My son`s car broke and he managed to call the specialists from GM, he was lucky because he had one more week of warranty, if the engine showed problems a little bit later he also would have to repair the car by himself.

Rudy's picture

Mike, I had a similar experience with Ford (albeit far worse, to where I almost considered a lawsuit), and have been stranded in too many GMs in my lifetime to ever go down the Big Three road again.  They could "improve" (quotes intentional) their product all they want, but their service after the sale and general attitude toward customers has still not changed over the decades.  We have two cars in the household fleet now that have almost 450,000 miles between the two of them; the older one with 256k miles has never even been back to the dealer I bought it from in 1997.  

I feel bad that Saab is no longer around.  Someone has just released some new designs that were left on the drawing board when Saab was shuttered, which would have been future models.  Sad, really.  They deserved a better parent than GM.  

BTW, the last several posts above (with links in them) are spam...

X